Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

NORTH GANGETIC WAR


I believe that by 2080, we'll see the first war with a nine-digit death-toll. It will be fought between China and India/The West, and it'll probably be an insane Pyrrhic victory for China. Here's how I think it'll play out.

Why War?

India's population will increase until it peaks somewhere in the 2060s. At the same time, China will be coming out of its own generation-long population slump, and will be looking to reindustrialize and manufacture more goods (both essential and otherwise), to keep people employed and happy. And to reindustrialize, China will need water.
‎‎
It comes down to whether the Siberian permafrost thaws or not. If so, China can claim its water (if the Russian population hasn't bounced back), and everything is fine. Otherwise, it will need the Himalayan water sources. This is especially true because if Siberia thaws, it means the Himalayan glaciers are long gone.

There's already precedents for this, as India and China have wrestled in the Himalayas already.

So basically... If:

  • China recovers from its demographic collapse by 2060;
  • Global Warming/Climate Change can't melt Siberia;


Then‎ we'll see the North Gangetic War.

Why Nine Digits?

It's in the name. The North Gangetic Plain is a large, mostly flat expanse that's perfect for tank battalions to cross. All that needs to happen is for the war to drag on long enough that Chinese commanders see benefit in entering the North Gangetic Plain, through Myanmar.

The NGP is also the most populated part of India, meaning entry of foreign troops into this region would basically be the largest wartime occupation in human history. Since it's also the Indian heartland, I don't see India giving it up without a fight.

All this amounts to horrific atrocities and non-stop fighting for the NGP, until the Chinese either accomplish their objectives, or are forced to retreat.

It will be between 2024 to 2076 and your close to it

5 Comments

Newb Mann

1 year ago

Alot of chinas water problems now are due to them polluting there water supply instead of them actually lacking a water supply so better Desalination tech would likley prevent this.
Also another thing its just as likley china dams up the NGP limitting the water there to begin with. But if for whatever reason a war were to break out between the 2 its very likley to reach the hundred million/9 digit death toll.

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

Desalination ≠ Decontamination

Newb Mann

1 year ago

Small error on my part thanks for correcting me. Although I doubt better desalination would hurt china beter Decontamination would do wonders.

Bev Bevan

1 year ago

But China already has almost all the Himalayan water, don't they?

Kamil Dec

1 year ago

It will be between 2024 to 2076 and your close to it

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

China is in Trouble
.
I've long been skeptical of Rudyard's prediction for Chinese Warring States in five years. In fact, I've actually been very bullish on China. I've never believed they would overtake the US, but I've long held that technology would save them, just as it saved Western Europe.
.
Specifically, I've believed artificial intelligence would be used to automate China's social control systems, and implement a dystopian AI-driven police state.
.
I don't believe this is possible anymore. While I don't think China will have a civil war in five years, I don't think technology can save China anymore.
.
https://twitter.com/jordanschnyc/status/1580889341265469440
https://twitter.com/Scholars_Stage/status/1580950956560199683
https://www.csis.org/analysis/choking-chinas-access-future-ai

Commies always lose.

1 Comment

Logan Strom

1 year ago

Commies always lose.

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

What's the evidence supporting an incoming religious revival in the 2040s? I've seen many different sources reference this, most recently Rudyard himself in the latest video. Does anyone have any good, solid sources on why this Revival is coming?

America used to have this periods called "Great Awakenings" in which religiosity increases. Also Rudyard mentioned the fact that in the 1740s, 1840s and 1940s there were all religious revivals, where people became more religious than before and new curches emerged (In the 1740s you had methodism; in the 1840s Mormonism and Adventism, and the 1940 saw evangelicalism becoming more mainstream).

So, adding to the fact that religiosity had been down lately and people need of a new religious interpretation, the idea of a new "Great Awakening" happening around the 2040s becomes a very likely possibility.

6 Comments

purpledurple

1 year ago

It's still possible, but there are several major hurdles to prevent this from happening? First we have to address why people are leaving religion. Increasingly in the west and in the US in particular people are just being raised without religion, it seems like the main three reasons people don't believe religion is because it doesn't make rational sense, it's homophobic, and sexist. I know some of you personally don't like this point but I'm going to make it again anyway. The new left (ethnic minority rights, women's economic and reproductive rights, LGBT rights, environmentalism) is on the field so I'll come Mount Rushmore of Western Civilization as with Socrates, Jesus Christ, and the Enlightenment. The reason I single the middle two are because it it goes against the abrahamic faiths. I think great evidence for my point is the whole abortion debate in the US right now especially with the Kansas referendum. 75% of gen z is pro-choice which is much higher than millennials when they were the same age as the oldest gen z. Also another thing is that women are now just as likely to be non-religious or even more than men especially at the youngest ages. This is extremely abnormal as it's usually men that are more irreligious. The consequences of this this shift as with women's shift to the left is a distrust in religious institutions. To add to that, most of the declining churches are populated by old women almost exclusively and the reality is men die earlier than women. The reality is quoting from the historian Tom Holland: "the 60s have been the greatest period of moral and ethical change since the 1520s (protestant reformation)". So a religious revival has to address all these issues while maintaining theological rigor. Moreover, WIAH said in the America's 21st century video that there is a decent likelihood of a theorcracy coming. That would further destroy Christianity has reducing level of religious belief and attendance.

#1 lobster

1 year ago

“It came to me in a dream!”

Speaking more seriously though, I think that religious revivals are eternal, and inevitable, because they are true. Not perfect, but accurate enough that humans can’t resist them without going insane. There are supernatural forces in the universe. Be they one, or be they many, they are real. One can not ignore them, or contradict them for more than a few years, without loosing one’s mind.

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

That's cool, and I agree... But I'm asking for hard evidence. Data.

America used to have this periods called "Great Awakenings" in which religiosity increases. Also Rudyard mentioned the fact that in the 1740s, 1840s and 1940s there were all religious revivals, where people became more religious than before and new curches emerged (In the 1740s you had methodism; in the 1840s Mormonism and Adventism, and the 1940 saw evangelicalism becoming more mainstream).

So, adding to the fact that religiosity had been down lately and people need of a new religious interpretation, the idea of a new "Great Awakening" happening around the 2040s becomes a very likely possibility.

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

Sure, but are there any SOURCES which present data backing this up, such as comparative analysis of religiosity in the decades before those awakenings?

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

We need to be nuke-maxing.
.
We need to tell the entire world that if there's EVER another non-test nuclear detonation, the United States will turn that nation's capital into the world's largest parking lot.
.
We need to make massive trade concessions to any country that voluntarily disarms. We need to make sure ONLY the United States has nuclear weapons. We need to be nuke-maxing.

We need to get rid of all nukes everywhere. Which will never happen. But I think we could make it so no country has more than 60, meaning we could avoid complete annihilation.

7 Comments

Bruce Wayne

1 year ago

I do sometimes wonder what would have happened if the US intelligence and military had prevented the USSR from developing nuclear weapons, or, at least, incinerated all of the USSR’s major strategic targets immediately after they developed their first nuke. Maybe they could have nuked one or two US or European ally cities in the aftermath, but as sad as that would be, it might have resulted in the U.S. being the world’s only nuclear state.

Jon

1 year ago

I’d say countries that aren’t a significant risk to others and countries that are at risk of being destroyed by neighbors if they let their guard down.

Logan Strom

1 year ago

"Nuclear weapons take all the fun out of geopolitics."

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

Reposting, due to poor formatting.

Auntology: The New Ideology for China

I know I promised a post about what I believe the ideology of Mars will be... But it felt too much like speculation.

Instead, here's a quick run-down on something else I came up with after Rudyard's latest video. Auntology is a catch-all term for a group of philosophical ideas developed by thinker Liu Zhongjing. His ideas can be difficult to pin down, especially for Westerners, but boil down to anti-Leftism and anti-Liberalism... With one unusual quirk.

Liu believes in 'New Regionalism,' the adoption (and in some cases, whole-cloth creation) of new, non-Han ethnic identities... In some cases, to be adopted by Han Chinese themselves.

Case in point is Basuria (also spelled 'Bashulia'), Liu's proposed homeland for the Bashu, an unrecognized minority within China. This homeland would be centered upon Sichuan and Chongqing, and deliberately build an anti-Sinitic identity. Liu is a Spenglerite, so his movement would likely go as far as to deliberately pick new Prime Symbols and build a completely new High Culture...

Currently Liu has very, very few supporters. As China collapses by 2100, I expect Auntology to become extremely popular, especially as China falls back on Han nationalism. Regions which are ethnically Han, but see little benefit from the PRC and post-Maoism will instead build new ethnic identities, and even try to develop new high cultures... Exactly what kind of shape these will take, and whether they'll be successful, remains to be seen. But I think Auntology represents an important alternative for Chinese civilization that's not either Communism, Nationalism, or Traditionalism.

Read more about Auntology here.

can you summarize the ideology more beyond anti leftism and anti liberalism?

15 Comments

Bruce Wayne

1 year ago

This is an interesting idea, but I do wonder if your typical citizen of China would really be willing to part with their cherished ethnic Han self-perception. I once suggested to a Chinese person to whom I was close, who was actually quite liberal and unconcerned about race, that her skin colour and facial features could indicate a Manchu or other non-Han ethnic origin, at least partially, and she rejected the idea with immediacy and assertiveness.

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

They'd be unwilling today, but post-demographic crisis? I think people will look for any alternative to ethnonationalist state capitalism.

Bruce Wayne

1 year ago

It seems to me that the Han designation has progressively expanded to other ethnicities. I’ve even wondered if China might make an effort to bestow ethnic Han identity to certain select individuals of entirely different ethnicities (white, black, etc) in an attempt to draw in rootless and disaffected people of means and talent across the world.

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

Sure, but then what happens what that system of expansion stops working? If the system implemented by the Han falls apart, and they've made 'being Han' synonymous with being part of that system, why would anyone want to be Han?

purpledurple

1 year ago

I believe it will be ethnonationist (even more than now as they have do affirmative action for ethnic minorities), socially conservative and anti-new left. They have a derogatory term for them: baizo "white left" (something that's in my article. I don't know if it will be capitalist or anti-capitalist, but I lean toward being somewhat more capitalist. I think they'll like the gains of capitalism, but hate the social consequences of consumerism.

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

Auntologists are the ones who invented the term White Left (or maybe popularized it, I'm not sure lmao).

As for capitalism/ethnonationalism, those are the current trends. I'm predicting those trends will precipitate a demographic-driven collapse, and there will be a backlash against those trends. It doesn't really make sense to project current trends too far into the future.

purpledurple

1 year ago

I think you got it backwards it's actually the CCP's policy that actually help create the demographic collapse with the one child policy. So a new regime could say hey we are at the nationalist the CCP wasn't and therefore resulted in our population collapse. Communism is a universalist ideology after all.

purpledurple

1 year ago

A good video on online han supremacy:
https://youtu.be/kRr0-reOhQw

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

That's precisely why I think the CCP will fall back onto Han nationalism, as part of de-universalizing communism.

Aran Kirwan

1 year ago

Would be tough to build a new ideology off a “anti” or negative because you would need the former to exist to support your system basically just making it that system anyway. Grammar, words, I think I get the point across.

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

... No, I actually don't understand your point, can you please re-phrase?

**Auntology: The New Ideology for China** I know I promised a post about what I believe the ideology of Mars will be... But it felt too much like speculation. Instead, here's a quick run-down on something else I came up with after Rudyard's latest video. **Auntology** is a catch-all term for a group of philosophical ideas developed by thinker Liu Zhongjing. His ideas can be difficult to pin down, especially for Westerners, but boil down to anti-Leftism and anti-Liberalism... With one unusual quirk. Liu believes in 'New Regionalism,' the adoption (and in some cases, whole-cloth creation) of new, non-Han ethnic identities... In some cases, to be adopted by Han Chinese themselves. Case in point is Basuria (also spelled 'Bashulia'), Liu's proposed homeland for the Bashu, an unrecognized minority within China. This homeland would be centered upon Sichuan and Chongqing, and deliberately build an anti-Sinitic identity. Liu is a Spenglerite, so his movement would likely go as far as to deliberately pick new Prime Symbols and build a completely new High Culture... Currently Liu has very, very few supporters. As China collapses by 2100, I expect Auntology to become extremely popular, especially as China falls back on Han nationalism. Regions which are ethnically Han, but see little benefit from the PRC and post-Maoism will instead build new ethnic identities, and even try to develop new high cultures... Exactly what kind of shape these will take, and whether they'll be successful, remains to be seen. But I think Auntology represents an important alternative for Chinese civilization that's not either Communism, Nationalism, or Traditionalism. [Read more about Auntology here.](https://thechinaproject.com/2019/03/13/chinas-intellectual-dark-web-and-its-most-active-fanatic/)

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

This comment was flagged by a moderator

2 Comments

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

This comment was flagged by a moderator

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

This comment was flagged by a moderator

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

Martian Civilization

In his latest video, Rudyard mentioned that he has no idea what Martian civilizations might look like. I thought I might have some ideas on that.

According to Spengler, high cultures/civilizations develop from 'Prime Symbols,' philosophical attitudes derived from geographical cues.

Mars is a cold, inhospitable place that's generally terrible for colonization. Human beings will likely still try, however. This means they'll have to live underground, mostly in lava-tubes and later, in mined-out tunnels and arcologies.

Martian civilization will derive from lava tubes, and thus I propose that its Prime Symbol will be Liminality, in the Backrooms/Internet sense. This will manifest in three ways:

  1. Paranoia: Richard Hofstadter has a great book about paranoia in American political culture. Martian culture will accelerate that influence, especially in regards to Martian leaders secretly taking orders from Earthbound masters.

  2. Anxiety: Instead of basing itself on fear, shame or guilt, Martian society will be geared toward survival. Ethics will be driven by an anxiety over whether one contributes to settlement survival... Along with an anxiety rooted in liminal spaces.

  3. Arcologies: All Prime Symbols manifest themselves architecturally, and Liminality will do so by replicating spaces here on Earth. The interior of the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas is a perfect example of what Martian arcologies will look like.

What do you think? How do you believe Liminality will express itself in Martian high culture?

Very astute. Also, another primordial symbol, even more important to Mars than it is to earth, will be the “Walled Garden” in other words, the fusion of nature and civilization. Because the only green spaces on mars will be man made, and in short supply, I can see martians orienting their whole culture around gardening, because it would be the only way to stay sane in such a barren wasteland. The newest and most interesting cultivars of fruit trees would be the great status symbol of mars.

10 Comments

Bruce Wayne

1 year ago

This is brilliant. That Prime symbol makes sense.

In a strange way, though, Martian colony civilization could still adopt Spengler’s Judeo-Christian-Islamic prime symbol of “the closed dome” (you know, the hermetically sealed biosphere), and the ecological origin of the “desert cave” (as Mars is the harshest of deserts, and lava tubes are cave-like).

In some ways, a successful colony on Mars would require that kind of strict, Abrahamic, Patriarchy… with a shared commitment to the same moral codes and black&white view of reality, tempered by paternal-like love and forgiveness. A Mars colonist couldn’t just say “screw you guys, I’m leaving” and just go wander away from Massachusetts to Rhode Island, like a troublesome/outcast American colonist could have done.

I would think that the Mars colonists would have to be almost Puritanical in culture, but with a much stronger church structure. Maybe some of the more isolated old Spanish Catholic Missions in the New Mexico desert would be a template?

Unless they’re all on behavior-modifying drugs, or under constant surveillance and constant threat of personal harm carried out against them by (ideally) impartial sentinel robots (you know…the cameras/microphones/body sensors/ etc) capture something that onboard AI determines to be a crime or serious transgression, then disciplines/banishes the offender)….

And in that case, the anxiety/paranoia part you mentioned would come into play, so…I guess there are many ways it could go! Very interesting post my dude, well done!

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

Thanks!

I don't foresee religion playing a major role in Martian civilization, at least during its early colonial stages. That's because the two civilizations most likely to colonize Mars (the West, China) are largely irreligious, especially among its elites. I do see religions eventually evolving, but I can cover those in another post.

Instead, I think ideology will play an extremely important role. Because so much of the colonial effort will be either private or military, I don't see democracy doing well. Instead, the ideologies that will eventually develop will look more like corporatism or fascism.

I'll post something else in a few hours, explaining what I mean.

Finally, I do think AI will have a place on Mars, but I think social-control AI is too complex and requires extensive infrastructure to work, so it won't be used widely (if at all).

You actually couldn't have a society as strict as the Puritans in a Martian dome, precisely because people can't easily leave. Puritan New England was hemorrhaging people, because it was so strict. The entire St. Lawrence river valley on both sides, as well as the Canadian Maritimes, Michigan Wisconsin, and the Pacific Northwest, were all settled by New Englanders trying to get as far as possible from the Puritans. Puritan society itself imploded when it stopped being economically competitive in the mid 19th century, and now New England is the least religious part of the country.

Bruce Wayne

1 year ago

What you said makes sense, and I probably shouldn’t have used Puritans as an example, due to how seemingly unpleasant life with them was. I was thinking more along the lines of a culture of people who very strictly adhered to norms that didn’t upset each other and which required each person to be dutifully productive. Most people probably wouldn’t sign up to live in a Puritan colony now lol. But even if the Mars colony culture is unpleasant and restrictive, the primary difference between a Martian colony and a New England colony is that Martian colonists couldn’t just leave. Unless technology was so advanced that a single solitary man could just leave the compound and start a new compound elsewhere on Mars (although it seems unlikely that early colonies would have this type of technology, as I assume that the early colonies will be employing leading edge technology just to be able to support a bare-bones human settlement).

Jay Watts

1 year ago

damn dusters

Prime

1 year ago

I'd love to hear more about your takes on other topics

Hugo Guzman

1 year ago

I'm planning to start a YouTube channel in the future.

Prime

1 year ago

hmu with it when its out