J to the-O-R-Z
11 months ago
The tenants of Mankindism
Human beings shall be treated with dignity and respect. No class, race or gender shall be treated differently or held as more virtuous due to their status as victims (anti-woke, no identity politics)
The state exists to protect the population and provide leadership, not to serve a narrow world view or attain profit. Policy is done through pragmatism, not doctrine.
Cultural degeneracy will not be tolerated. No puberty blockers, Critical Race theory or gender studies.
Men and women are interdependent on one another and have unique roles in society.
Leaders must earn their position through service in some capacity of responsibility ("the society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and fighting done by fools")
Scientific objectivist view of history, devoid of emotional bias. History will be treated as a science, not a humanity.
Divine mandate: when the ruling class falls into decadence, it loses the right to rule. When a people hate themselves, they lose the right of autonomy.
Patrick Seiter
11 months ago
Mankind has never been a collective and universalist appeals do not work. You should come up with another term than "mankindism" (unless this was a WIP word) because people identify first with their tribe, not the entire species.
J to the-O-R-Z
11 months ago
yeah its a WIP. I don't know what to call it "Mankindism" is an inside joke between my friends
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
Turkish election to head to runoff. Looks like the ultranationalists, who took 5% of the first round, will vote for Erdogan in the second round, giving him back the presidency, but still early to tell.
Jonathan Seed
1 year ago
What do you predict will happen if the opposition wins? I heard that Erdogan's opposition is super pro freedom, EU and western civilization. So I feel like if he wins Turkeys destiny will be forever changed because he is basically the opposite of Erdogan
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
Yeah but that would cause complications within the EU. I've read that Erdogan is actually liked by the EU establishment, since he is very anti-EU and the EU leaders don't want to deal with the mess of allowing Turkey into the EU. I guess the silver lining of the opposition winning would be more Kurdish autonomy.
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
Is Whatifalthist making a communism video, given the shorts that have been posted on youtube recently, or are these from one of his earlier vids?
Jonathan Seed
1 year ago
Btw, he just made a poll on youtube where he asked what type of content on communism we would like. So he probs making a communism video
Jonathan Seed
1 year ago
Pretty sure those shorts are from previous videos. He has made a whatif video labeled "What if communism never existed" but that's about it
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
I mean my whole idea for a new ideology revolves around this: the real threat to our society is the technocratic educated classes.
Pretty much, our society is run by the technocratic educated class, which I believe is degenerate and causing much of our problems. I know things are more complex but to simplify, the technocratic elite based out of college universities are only concerned with making more money and producing more degrees. This leads to the creation of socially harmful disciplines (such as gender or ethnic studies) that serve no other purpose than to create a new generation of activists, who get meaningless HR jobs or go into activist groups claiming to solve a particular problem, which they have interest in solving because if they were to solve it, they would lose their jobs. This leads to increasing fanaticism and tribalization, which while dividing the masses allows a small elite of tech billionaires and retailers to profit, while the university system turns out more degrees and the technocratic class to maintain dominance over the political structure.
The solution is to dismantle this system, but the means to achieve this are not yet within grasp and should be done in a peaceful way.
Agree or disagree?
The ideology seems to come from a positive place and has an understanding of certain trends in America/the collective west which is solid. I think you need to flesh it out a little bit more and perhaps add some more elements so that it can be attractive to the population and thrive (which I think it will need to in order to effect the technocrats power and influence).
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
wait how is this the Frankfurt school. The whole premise of the post-modern movement is the criticism of inflexible systems via critical theory. I'm arguing against wasteful systems that culturally destroy societies i.e. the present suicidal technocratic/shareholder system of the west due to their adherence to selfish individual group think (identity) and Boomerism (non-judgemental, self-centered, "oh hey everyone lets make the world a better place to live!") mindset, as well as opposition to cultural marxism.
Jon
1 year ago
I’m arguing that your ideology is just standard anti-Frankfurtism, not that it’s pro-Frankfurtism.
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
well a group that wanted to end the technocracy, they sure as hell did a good job at making it stronger in a democratic society no less
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
What is intermarist lol
Logan Strom
1 year ago
You could just be a Libertarian.
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
What if we created a new ideology?
Would be interesting. The future is gonna be full of so much escalating chaos and change that I think it's the perfect time to create one. In fact, We will NEED something to essentially "power" humanity like a religion or ideology to survive in the long term so we should start experimenting with idealogies
Jonathan Seed
1 year ago
Would be interesting. The future is gonna be full of so much escalating chaos and change that I think it's the perfect time to create one. In fact, We will NEED something to essentially "power" humanity like a religion or ideology to survive in the long term so we should start experimenting with idealogies
Jonathan Seed
1 year ago
now rather than later.
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
My idea was about the failures of the technocratic system and the need for something new, combined with divine mandate and secular cycles. Essentially the idea is is that the current ruling classes i.e. shareholders and technocrats have lost their legitimacy due to their degeneracy and decadence and it is time for new rulers more in tune with the modern world and not blinded by Boomerist presumptions of the world.
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
why was my post taken down?
actually nevermind, found it!
J to the-O-R-Z
1 year ago
Would if we created it
Evan Weeks
1 year ago
Good article on Metamodernism: https://www.metamodernism.com/2015/01/12/metamodernism-a-brief-introduction/
Matt DiMarcantonio
1 year ago
👀 can you share a summary and how we kill it? Haha
Matt DiMarcantonio
1 year ago
Why? Wouldn’t it be a totally different evolution. Medieval west is very different than the classical west
Evan Weeks
1 year ago
I feel that after metamodernism, we might see a return of esotericism to try and fill the empty meaning of our lives. We already see this with the new age movement, but I feel that this will spread farther because of how many people in society are becoming nihilistic, suicidal, or apathetic . We could see people trying to find the nature of God and of meaning. Not from a Christian perspective, but from perspective that yearns for meaning in a nihilistic world. I believe this would eventually lead to a rebirth of Christianity, but also a birth of many other religions and heresies.
Evan Weeks
1 year ago
That is what I was thinking about. Our society falling apart slowly, so people are looking for a solution, be that political, spiritual or moral.
Matt DiMarcantonio
1 year ago
We don’t have enough data to tell but new religion usually arises when a civ dies and rebirths. But it feels like heresy to say that